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Traversing higher dimensions and the weirdness of it. - SpookyZalost - July 7th, 2020 OK so I'm going to try to explain this as simply as possible without losing the explanation, this is in regards to so called "hyper space" or as it's more aptly known, hyperbolic space. now to start with, you have euclidean, spherical, and hyperbolic space/time. the first is simple, a flat plane with objects on it, from the observer all lines are straight as well as from above, a dimension someone living in euclidean space cannot see. think of it like living on a piece of paper, not the surface but on that plane of existence. you exist in 2 dimensions and if someone where to pass a sphere or ball though it you wouldn't see the ball. you'd see a dot, which becomes a circle, getting larger and larger until it stops then gets smaller and becomes a dot again, then as before the dot ceases to be. that dot exists in a dimension you are not aware of and cannot perceive, in this case the third dimension. the same is true for higher dimensions and this is important when thinking about black holes and singularities. The second, Spherical space is like what we're living in now. all lines eventually converge and as before everything travels along that 2 dimensional axis, the only difference is, if you were to travel in a straight line on that 2D plane, you'd end up eventually reaching the same point, and if two people walked a straight line they'd meet at roughly 45 degrees halfway along the sphere. weird I know right? it get's weirder... then you have hyperbolic space/time... ok so that's a 2D hyperbolic object, it's technically a circle and you can travel from one end to the other, but it get's weirder. imagine the real world, our space time, it's like moving along the edge of this object and it takes ages to go around it even though for us it's perceived as a straight line, much like 2D people on that hyperbolic object. the reality is, the fastest way to travel between two points is a straight line, however the straight line of the plane you exist on is not necessarily the straightest line across an object that exists in more than 3 dimensions such as space/time. in fact according to string and M theory there could be up to 11 dimensions! so in theory the distance from earth to let's say the andromeda galaxy is much shorter across a curved hyperbolic object in the dimension closer to the object's actual dimensions than it is in our 3 dimensions. crazy right? so that means traveling through Hyper-space or hyperbolic space is taking a straighter path than through 3 dimensional space. now there are other ways to traverse these distances. you can travel hyperbolic space of course, provided you have a way of accessing it. you can bridge 2 points by creating a wormhole through hyperbolic space allowing you to traverse it without leaving your space/time. you can fold it through hyperbolic space side/stepping it entirely and just jumping across with a folded space or jump drive. or you can traverse 3 dimensional space by bending or warping it in a manner similar to folding space only less intensive with a warp drive or gateway. and then there's the space above hyperbolic space, much like how we can see the entirety of a sphere or a flat piece of paper if you were to go above hyperbolic space some how you could exit at any point within hyperbolic space effectively short cutting the straightest line with an arc, this is how some science fiction depicts jump drives and such. effectively that would be the multiverse though, you leave the universe and re-enter it at a different point. as a side note though I recently learned of a new multiverse theory that kinda shook up all this. the multiverse may in fact all be part of our perceived universe, and each universe is like a pocket of causality on the same space/time which means simply using hyperbolic space would allow you to travel to other universes, not that you would want to, they would have completely different laws of physics with infinite possibilities starting from their own big bangs. this also means that space/time has always existed and that universes are merely periods of chaos from explosions as entropy normalizes that region of space/time. for us that's trillions upon trillions of years from now, but it does mean the universe doesn't die, instead the space/time we exist in is literally everywhere and everything at once, it is older than we can imagine, and will exist longer than we can perceive, and when our universe returns to static empty space/time, another universe will simply pop into being where ours was now, or at least nearby it. Don't forget that as spacetime normalizes from the compression in the singularity everything get's farther and farther apart too, though this may apply less in higher dimensions where you can side/step the ripples, hills, and valleys in and around gravity wells which we currently have to travel along. not that this matters for us humans of course lol. anyway wanted to get that out there, get knowledge out and stuff! Zalost - out. RE: Traversing higher dimensions and the weirdness of it. - zoldos - February 25th, 2021 I love this stuff. I've studied it as well as Quantum Mechanics for a large number of years. Very cool! My two favorite elements are the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment and the double slit experiment. Blows my mind every time! RE: Traversing higher dimensions and the weirdness of it. - SpookyZalost - February 26th, 2021 @zoldos what are your thoughts on hyperspace, variable speed of light and the various multiverse theories? RE: Traversing higher dimensions and the weirdness of it. - zoldos - February 27th, 2021 Not too sure about hyperspace or variable speed of light (I didn't think that was possible in fact). I've fallen behind on it all and haven't read anything on the subject in like a decade. As for the multiverse, I totally believe in that and beings from alternate dimensions (alternate versions of us perhaps?). RE: Traversing higher dimensions and the weirdness of it. - SpookyZalost - February 27th, 2021 @zoldos so here's the thing. I say variable, it's weird. But the local speed of light is relative to the density of mass and by extension space/time in an area. Light acts like it's experiencing drag by constantly changing state and bleeding off energy over time going between a particle and a wave as it travels at this limitation. This has two consequences, the first is that the universe could be a bit younger than we thought or larger because the speed of light should be higher between galaxies than in them. But also black holes don't have infinite mass. In fact it's more accurate to say that the density of space time near them brings the speed of light lower than the escape velocity of the object. If a black hole truly had infinite mass it would be eating more than they do constantly. This in turn explains why galaxies often form around large ones, the bigger the black hole the larger the region of distorted space time and the lower the gravitational sheer relative to the object, in fact you could theoretically traverse the event horizon of a supermassive black hole and not instantly spaghettify. This also has implications for the multiverse in that it it's self is a region of distorted space time, which means both movement speed and perceived time is slower inside the universe than outside of it. And it's slowly returning to its non singularity state, the density allowing for our laws of physics to work but not outside it. RE: Traversing higher dimensions and the weirdness of it. - zoldos - February 28th, 2021 Cool man, digging it. I mainly study Quantum Mechanics, but did read a lot on black holes from the late Stephen Hawking. Here's something I've pondered for awhile: The faster you move, the slower time elapses. This has been proven to a high degree of accuracy. Theoretically then, if you achieve light speed, time apparently stops all together. So, doesn't that mean that, from light's perspective, it travels at infinite velocity, since no time is elapsing for it? RE: Traversing higher dimensions and the weirdness of it. - SpookyZalost - February 28th, 2021 That is correct, however it gets better. Because the photons, from the moment they leave their source to the moment they hit your eyes, could be thousands of years but for the photon, no time has passed at all, it was literally instant. That entire distance, thousands of years of time, over in the blink of an eye.