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Debian vs Ubuntu...

#19
(April 10th, 2020 at 1:20 PM)Guardian Wrote:
(April 10th, 2020 at 8:51 AM)Lain Wrote: On the flip-side, I'd have a f*** field day practicing deobfuscation and malware analysis from all the threads that don't get approved lmfao.

That would be perfect for new thread ideas.

Jacko posted this tool. Well, let's break it down... Tongue
Roflol.
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#20
That's some high-level government (certain unnamed organization) stuff right there. And i'm sure they do it all day long.

I couln't ever do it. I can't understand source code when the variables are named with their hex addresses or some other voodoo magic that's used to name them after decompilation. Finna
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#21
(April 10th, 2020 at 5:15 PM)Darth-Apple Wrote: That's some high-level government (certain unnamed organization) stuff right there. And i'm sure they do it all day long.

I couln't ever do it. I can't understand source code when the variables are named with their hex addresses or some other voodoo magic that's used to name them after decompilation. Finna

There are some tools...

My last job was actually trying to find this stuff on a government network and breaking it down. Without the tools, I would have been useless. But there is a way.
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#22
I'm gonna pull the trigger.
Okay,ButThisIsTheLastTime


Gonna install Debian. Need something that Just Werks™ for the next while.
Gonna sell my HP and buy a (new) Lenovo T495 with maxed out specs (minus the extra drive, since I have tons lying around). But it ships in five weeks. I don't really have that kind of time right now if I'm online all day long, so I busted out my 8yr old Acer that is for some reason still chugging along. It also has battery issues, hence why I don't use it anymore except for maybe playing around with a vulnerable ISO or as a home server, but with some lightweight Linux distro installed, it performs decently. 8GB RAM, i7, and an integrated Nvidia chip. Optical drive, too.

So Debian it is. Don't feel like spending hours ricing and configuring Arch/Gentoo for the hardware. Just need something to access the web (Google Drive, Makestation, social media, etc.) and I can run all my graphics stuff under Wine like ClipStudio or Photoshop. There are enough guides and configurations out there to make it happen.

Will do a basic rice and post screenshots when possible, though.
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#23
Nice! Share screenshots once you have it set up!

I installed this theme for gnome shell, and it worked great for a while. I ended up switching off of it and just using Dash to Panel. Debian is very lightweight and incredibly stable. I use it almost exclusively for any development stuff. PHP and Python I do straight within my Mac, but anything C, Fortran, Haskell, or whatever else I do from my Debian box.

Debian is great. Crashes a lot less than Ubuntu.
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#24
>gnome
>lightweight
enjoy your 1gb RAM idle usage
xd

but yeah, theyve gotten their netinst images down to a couple hundred mb now.
very impressive, only arch was known for having a tiny image in the past. now arch is bloat sitting at 650mb. disgraceful.
too bad laptops use proprietary hardware, so i need to install with the 3.7gb image to make sure i get all the nonfree drivers. at least i dont need to install the whole 3gb of extra drivers, though.

i havent decided on a de/window manager yet. on one hand i wanna go back to dwm but again i dont want to spend hours on end recompiling everything exactly to my tastes.
i also dont want to use i3 or bspwm because configs are bloat
kde is pretty but performance is almost as bad as gnome

so its either gonna be xfce or lxde for now.
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#25
Xfce is always a good choice. It’s a very robust desktop environment for how small its resource footprint is. It’s pretty snappy.

The one thing about Debian that I don’t like is that they are very stringent with non-free stuff. It’s much easier to install that stuff on Ubuntu I find, but if you don’t need third party graphics or WiFi drivers, it’s a non issue.
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#26
that's the only redeeming feature of debian, how free they truly are. keeps law enforcement out.

that's also why ian killed himself.
too much pressure from foreign agencies to start putting backdoors in the code. he never did it and continued the push for full open-source so that people could verify themselves that there wasnt some major compromise hidden away somewhere.
but of course the pressure from LE just became too much for him. and as a result, now that he's gone, debian ships with systemd, even though the older community disagrees so strongly with that decision. i wonder who's behind it...

openrc is gonna be one of the first things i install, in his name. rip ian, god bless.
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#27
Light weight is why I use openbox... As an alt though, have you considered enlightenment? E16 and e17 are both very stable, not sure about e21 though as I haven't tried it yet.
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(April 15th, 2020 at 2:03 AM)SpookyZalost Wrote: Light weight is why I use openbox... As an alt though, have you considered enlightenment? E16 and e17 are both very stable, not sure about e21 though as I haven't tried it yet.

Openbox is based. But too many config options for me to keep track of. Then again, XFCE isn't much better.

I've heard about Enlightenment and at some point I considered using it, but, I don't know. It just looks too 'edgy' for lack of a better term. Seems most customizations people do are with images and cool graphics (gradients, making this look 3D, etc.) rather than with the DE/WM itself, which has me on the fence.

Not sure how I feel about their migration to Wayland over x, though. Wayland is buggy garbage (sorry, features) that just isn't mature enough to consider seriously. I know that X is also a bundled mess of packages and layers of abstraction on layers of more abstraction with xinerama and the other 14 different frameworks people use to render stuff with it, but at least it works and is still pretty d*** lightweight as barebones.
I mean, even Ubuntu ditched wayland and decided to write their own compositor, so that says something too.

I remember when Cinnamon was all-the-rage a couple years back as well. 
Grade11 computer engineering had our school as a pilot program to get Linux installed in computer classes, and we used OpenSUSE+Cinnamon. 
Absolutely hated it. 
Never want to touch the d*** thing again. 
I can't fathom how something can be so ugly, and the time it would take to rice just isn't worth it when you can install something else.

There are things you like and don't like for whatever reason. I can't explain my hatred for Cinnamon, but my dad also can't explain his hatred for KDE. It's just how humans are, I guess haha.



Meanwhile the Encrypted LVM install is now taking an hour writing random data over my drive.
This is gonna be a long night, but I reckon it'll be worth it. Better put some coffee on.
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#29
Never been a fan of KDE personally. It just feels bloated to me, but a lot of people swear by it, so I guess it's just preference. Englightenment just doens't really seem all the way... there, for lack of a better way to put it, but it's been about 10 years since I last tried it. It's probably a completely different product now.

Wayland is fine until your CPU gets busy. And then it starts lagging pretty severely in Gnome. That's a pretty severe oversight in my opinion. X may be a mess (or so they say), but it works like a charm, so I don't see any point in Wayland either. I'm with you, I'll use X if it's available.
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#30
(April 15th, 2020 at 2:20 AM)Darth-Apple Wrote: Never been a fan of KDE personally. It just feels bloated to me, but a lot of people swear by it, so I guess it's just preference. Englightenment just doens't really seem all the way... there, for lack of a better way to put it, but it's been about 10 years since I last tried it. It's probably a completely different product now.

Wayland is fine until your CPU gets busy. And then it starts lagging pretty severely in Gnome. That's a pretty severe oversight in my opinion. X may be a mess (or so they say), but it works like a charm, so I don't see any point in Wayland either. I'm with you, I'll use X if it's available.

Try installing everything from scratch (compositor, display server, window manager, etc) on a headless install and you'll see just how much garbage is between X and the rest of the display stuff lmfao.
I'm really not exaggerating when I say there's like 14 different frameworks just to render a window lmfao. 
And each DE/WM uses a different protocol to communicate with X, making it a nightmare if you like swapping between them like me desu.
X itself isn't terrible, but everything between X and your screen is, which is why there's such a huge push to get away from X in recent years.

I'll give Enlightenment a shot if I can get it installed and up+running quickly. But if I'm not satisfied in like 15min with it, it's back to XFCE lol
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#31
See that's what I've heard, but I've never heard it explained like that. I'm glad I'm not one of the people who has to maintain those 14+ frameworks. Finna

X works great. Whatever they've done, they've done a d*** good job. Wayland will get there with time, I'm sure. Never been a fan of doing GUI work, I'm glad there is a push for more web-like app development. It's always been a pain.
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#32
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I might be a little obsessive, now that I think about it.

Not happy with it yet. Want to change terminal transparency and color scheme more, as well as window borders and styles.
Window shadows, change color scheme to something warmer, fix the top taskbar, custom fetch script, recompile kernel with a lot less modules, aghhh it never ends :'(
Using a pretty nice icon theme, though. Has a lot of icons bundled, so I've changed a couple from the default ones for system utilities.

Bet your terminal doesn't support images, though B)

Now all that's left is to set up browser, office suite, development tools, getting stuff to work under Wine, and I should be set!

xfce is so kawaiiiii...
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#33
I’ve recently thieved a Mac Mini at work and installed Ubuntu 18.04 onto it.

Ubuntu because I’m intimately familiar with the command line. It is used as a display computer (which will eventually display a dashboard for me) and a Docker host so I can run my dev databases and such.

For a Core 2 Duo, even using Gnome, the thing flies.
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#34
@Lain if it helps, I did this with a mixture of enlightenment and conky.

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plus one of the features it has which kind of excited me was the fact that it's audio manager actually lets me switch between ALSA and pulseaudio.

still having issues with OSS compatibility but this was a HUGE step forward in getting audio working on old games.

I've yet to find that same functionality on any other DWM
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(April 15th, 2020 at 4:32 PM)SpookyZalost Wrote: @Lain if it helps, I did this with a mixture of enlightenment and conky.

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plus one of the features it has which kind of excited me was the fact that it's audio manager actually lets me switch between ALSA and pulseaudio.

still having issues with OSS compatibility but this was a HUGE step forward in getting audio working on old games.

I've yet to find that same functionality on any other DWM

thats actually pretty f*** gorgeous, i'll give you that.
its minimalist, but without either being a tryhard or removing full functionality
9/10, dare i say, BASED

idk whenever i browse unixporn on reddit, the only enlightenment rices I see are extremely reliant on using images/textures to make things stand out, and the whole thing looks cluttered. i mean yeah you can fix that with enough customization, but that's too much for me to want to deal with when xfce works almost perfectly out of the box.
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#36
Looks good @SpookyZalost ! Love the minimal dock on the side and the clock at the bottom.
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